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 Post subject: Village layout (historical question)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:13 pm 
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I've only got the main rulebook at this point. Reading the Attack on a Village scenario it says the village is 20x20 to 30x30. The whole area is a BUA, "placement of individual buildings is irrelevant." Later on it says in deployment that they may not occupy the buildings. Obviously this means that troops cannot start in the buildings, but combined with "placement...irrelevant" does it mean they can't ever occupy the buildings (ie that they are just decorative and that the whole area is just treated as BUA) or may troops enter the buildings once play begins? (I suspect this.)

Now to my historical question: How were buildings arranged in a typical Polish village? I have one of the farmyard sets - barn and large peasant hut with fence for yard (this would probably cover the whole BUA requirement for the game). How would farmyards like this be placed in relation to each other? Along a road? Arranged around a village green? Well separated, surrounded by their own fields (I'm guessing not this based on Western Europe.) Where would a church or Inn be? (Center of village? Outskirts?) Would fields be laid out around the village? (Squareish or strip? Would they be fenced?) Just one Noble house? (Ratio to peasant houses? More/larger outbuildings?) I could certainly play the game based on what's in the book, but I'd like to get the look historically right.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:31 pm 
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Valmy92 wrote:
Later on it says in deployment that they may not occupy the buildings. Obviously this means that troops cannot start in the buildings, but combined with "placement...irrelevant" does it mean they can't ever occupy the buildings (ie that they are just decorative and that the whole area is just treated as BUA) or may troops enter the buildings once play begins? (I suspect this.)


During deployment you can't occupy buildings. During the game you can as specified by the rules for buildings. 8-)


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Thanks, that's what I was guessing but wanted to be sure.
Any thoughts on the historical question?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:02 pm 
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Hi Phil,

I don't have a specific historical reference but I would assume that village buildings would be gathered together for protection rather than spread across an area and broken up by fields. The church would be somewhere in the middle, the nobleman's court away from the village (they liked to keep separate from the peasants). Don't thing inns were that common.. so not sure about them.

On fields, tri-farming was the usual practice. So farmer would have three fields, one he would sow with winter grains, one with spring grains and leave one empty. Effectively you would have one field maturing at the time.. so you wouldn't see three fields of golden wheat together. (Wheat was a popular crop)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:42 pm 
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Thanks Lusnia,
Would fields be fenced to keep livestock out? Would they be strips or more squarish? How big? Did a farmer's fields tend to be together or different areas like in the west?
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Can't remember where I read it, but at least Russian villages of the time would usually be divided by a very wide road in the middle. Not sure why, but maybe the villagers did not appreciate having hordes of livestock paraded right on their doorstep.


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For those who use Facebook and will join Polish group - there is 1:1 reconstruction of Polish village based of original map made by Krajarek:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2498693 ... 618233007/
It's almost finished.

For those who don't - you have to wait until the author will write something and upload photos in our forum.
Krajarek works in one of Polish history museums on Silesia and made previous borderland fortress Kudak project.

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Interesting that the roads are fenced but nothing else.

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...and "Village" topic by Krajarek: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7049

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BlackLegion wrote:
Interesting that the roads are fenced but nothing else.


I noticed that too. 8|


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