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 Post subject: Historical paintings of Pancerni?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:37 pm 
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As the title states: Does anyone know some historical/period paintings of pancerni?

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No, BL, I don't. I referenced mine when I came across a Polish vendor on line that sold re-enactment arms, armor and dress. I Googled it. The rest was from Osprey. Good hunting.

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You do reenactment?

Well i wonder if pancerni chainmal was as tight fitted as in medieval sources (Macieowski bible) or as loose fitting as many modern reconstructions.

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I think it's hard to say that because there was no one standard type of chainmail

Maybe this will help a little bit?

http://www.muzeumwp.pl/wystawy/12,sala-sobieskiego/

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancerni_(I_Rzeczpospolita)#/media/File:Polish_Pancerny_from_XVII_century.PNG


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BlackLegion wrote:
You do reenactment?

Well i wonder if pancerni chainmal was as tight fitted as in medieval sources (Macieowski bible) or as loose fitting as many modern reconstructions.


No, no, no. No re-enactment for this old man. Just thought it would be good research. :D

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Glorfindel wrote:
I think it's hard to say that because there was no one standard type of chainmail

Maybe this will help a little bit?

http://www.muzeumwp.pl/wystawy/12,sala-sobieskiego/

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancerni_(I_Rzeczpospolita)#/media/File:Polish_Pancerny_from_XVII_century.PNG


Interesting. Particularly the Wikipedia picture. I have read that under the misiurka you would wear a padded cap so that the chainmail wouldn't cover the eyes. But with this example the padded cap would be pretty high :D I also wonder what to wear under the chainmail? The round buttons of the usual zupan would surely be a hindrance. I`m also looking for a source of some nice karwasze.

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I also wonder what to wear under the chainmail?


Museum page says leather jacket

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I`m also looking for a source of some nice karwarze.


Karwasze ;) There is an example in one of the links from the previous post

http://www.muzeumwp.pl/image/zbroja_hus ... racena.jpg


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Typo edited :D

I know how karwasze look like. But I want some for myself :D

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Well they look quite similar :)
https://georgiaabout.com/2012/09/04/abo ... crusaders/

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Soon I will get a misiurka, a gorget and a pair of karwasze. Still looking for a suitable chainmail skirt and what to wear under it. Hmmm.

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