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 Post subject: Disorganized unit and movement
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:00 am 
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Hi
If a unit has been disorganized in say a previous move and has not been re-organized, can it move.

I was thinking it operates as if it had no order for movement, so it can withdraw towards its own base line.

Now another question as follow on. It says a unit with out orders can withdraw. The question is is the same withdraw as due to a lose of morale due to failed test?

This is the wording in the small rule book.

Withdrawal means movement of the Unit by half its
Basic Move, preceded by turning to face the enemy
(when it’s needed) and finished by wheeling towards
any enemy unit so that the withdrawing Unit still faces
the enemy.

No I am assuming that the "preceded by turning to face the enemy" is a mistake. As if you turn towards the enemy first you can not really move away from them?

So is a withdraw due to morale, or failed close combat the same as a withdraw if you dont have an order?

William


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:45 pm 
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Wkeyser wrote:
No I am assuming that the "preceded by turning to face the enemy" is a mistake. As if you turn towards the enemy first you can not really move away from them?


Yes, units in BFAS can move both forwards and backwards. The "turning to face the enemy" I believe is used when being attacked in the flank or rear.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:14 pm 
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Hi Callan
Thanks for the reply. But that still makes no sense. However, the question of, if the unit can move towards its own base line as if it does not have an order remains. And if it does so how fast does it move and are there other restrictions on the movement.

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I'm not exactly sure what the question is, but yes, a unit may withdraw towards its own table edge due to a failed Morale test:

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Sometimes Units need to Withdraw. This is most often caused by a failed Morale test or a lost Combat. [...] The direction of Withdraw is determined by 3 cases: [...] other causes, without a contact with an enemy – towards its own table edge.


Also, the optional "turning to face the enemy" is explained well further down (p.63 in GE):

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In case of a flank or rear attack it must first make a 90 or 180 degree Turn to face the enemy (for free) and then moves back half its Basic Move. The Unit may use the remaining half of the Basic Move for wheeling towards any enemy unit.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Hi Callan

The question is a unit that has been disorganized in a turn earlier, and is not close enough for the commander to re-organize it. Can it move, it has not been in combat this turn and is not close to enemy units.

The idea is to move a vulnrable unit away from the enemy.
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A Disorganized has no Order and as such behaves as a Unit without Order. So it can just remain where it is or it can perform a Withdrawal Move. That means moving with up to half its Move towards it's own table edge an then it may also performing a Wheel using the other half of it's Move to face ANY enemy unit.

Usually you Withdraw after a lost Morale Test after Close Combat or Shooting or whatever. First you have to face toward the cause of the Morale test then you perform the Withdrawal Move as described before.
A unit which wasn't rallied doesn't has a cause for it's morale level anymore so it doesn't have to face the "source" of it's peril. Instead it has to move so that it's rear is facing it's own table edge and then start the Withdrawal Move as described above.

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but yes, this is tricky, and means that it can make sense to place a commander in a way that he can "catch" withdrawing or even fleeing units, otherwise they might be off the battlefield quicker than you think.
note that commanders can always march, and, for Poles, also teleport -.-

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