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 Post subject: Task Force Question
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:13 pm 
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Having just read the Task Force rule book but not played a game yet I have a number of questions.

First question being on page 8 under 'Motivation' it states 'No modifiers for exceeding the Motivation Level are used for this test' What does that mean?

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Second question, where do you find the rules for thinks like Orthodox Priests and the unit specific rules that are not in the Mini Rule Book?

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For your second question: In the big rulebook.

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BlackLegion wrote:
For your second question: In the big rulebook.


What about new players who haven't got the new rule book?

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For the first question, could it be because negative modifiers are applied to the Motivation check in Division size games?

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For the first question, could it be because negative modifiers are applied to the Motivation check in Division size games?


I didn't know that , thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Task Force Question
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Roland wrote:
BlackLegion wrote:
For your second question: In the big rulebook.


What about new players who haven't got the new rule book?


Well, this is certainly a bit of neglecting attitude to give you a rulebook which requires you to have two other rulebooks in order to play properly, is it not?

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piotroslav wrote:
Roland wrote:
BlackLegion wrote:
For your second question: In the big rulebook.


What about new players who haven't got the new rule book?


Well, this is certainly a bit of neglecting attitude to give you a rulebook which requires you to have two other rulebooks in order to play properly, is it not?


I don't have a copy of Task Force just yet, but even on the website it says you'll need at least a copy of the main rulebook to play.


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piotroslav wrote:
Roland wrote:
BlackLegion wrote:
For your second question: In the big rulebook.


What about new players who haven't got the new rule book?


Well, this is certainly a bit of neglecting attitude to give you a rulebook which requires you to have two other rulebooks in order to play properly, is it not?


You mean it should duplicate all 400 pages from the main rules? The Task Force book is an extension of the main rules, it doesn't give any stats or special rules for units. Amazingly it doesn't say so either on the cover or anywhere in the text, nor which additional books you'll need. No wonder customers are confused. Worse, all references to the existing rules are to the Player's Edition only, e.g. "Setting up terrain" which is actually copied from The Deluge and not in the main rulebook(!). They could at least have included references to the older books, even if there have been rules updates in the PE (hopefully available as errata soon).

So, to sum up you either need 2nd Ed rulebook + The Deluge + (non existing) Errata, or 2nd Ed + PE (+ The Deluge if you want to play Imperial/Brandenburg/Transylvanian armies, plus others for Gdansk and Denmark/Norway). Some people claim that the Army Builder makes the printed army lists unnecessary; I believe this to be a false assumption.


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 Post subject: Re: Task Force Question
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Roland wrote:
Second question, where do you find the rules for thinks like Orthodox Priests and the unit specific rules that are not in the Mini Rule Book?

I believe there are still plans to publish books for each faction in the main rulebook. These should have the different skirmish lists and the unit description, stats and rules. So, everything that's in the main rulebook but not in the players edition.


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