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 Post subject: Re: Guide to alternative models in BFaS (official rules)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:47 am 
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Wybraniecka/Lan/Chimney can be in mix of uniforms, while Polish-Hungarian should be more regular in appearance.

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Kadrinazi wrote:
Wybraniecka/Lan/Chimney can be in mix of uniforms, while Polish-Hungarian should be more regular in appearance.

What do you mean "mix"? That is, can be colored in any other color? Right?


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I have seen reenactors wearing red uniforms and yellow uniforms. But light blue was used by most of them. Colours weren't mixed in the same unit.

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I have seen reenactors wearing red uniforms and yellow uniforms. But light blue was used by most of them. Colours weren't mixed in the same unit.

I understand. But not understand how to show it.
One different banner, it is not enough. I would like something more.... and at the same time that would be historically correct.


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Wybraniecka/Lan/Chimney Infantry was of lower quality than Polish-Hungarian ones. You could show this with the uniforms which could be of lower quality too. Try different hues of blue in the same banner/base. Also only the overcoat was blue. It has short sleeves so you can see the lower arms. So undergarment as well as trousers could be any colour you want. I suggest bright colours (usually red) for Polish-Hungarian Infantry and more natural tones like brown and grey for Wybraniecka/Lan/Chimney Infantry. Caps would be black for all.

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For Wybraniecka, etc, you can mix different colours, with different shade of grey (as the cheapest cloth) would be the most popular + some odd blue, red and so on. More 'regular' units of Polish-Hungarian infantry can be either blue or red, as that seems to be most commonly used colour - you can even make whole unit in same colour, as they were usually hetman's own.

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Look at this famous painting of the Battle of Kircholm. On the left you can see Polish infantry. They look pretty uniform in their light blue and red in contrast to the multi coloured cavalry
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 1605_I.JPG

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Kadrinazi; talking about clothes. Which colors were really cheap and which were for the rich?

Grey-ish was already mentioned. How about browns, broken-white? Cheap?
Red, green and blue for the rich, or was it even a middle class kind of thing?

I have the Polish Nobles ready for the peasant force and wondered how I could paint them, also applying some richer, less rich and noble but having no money. :D


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That is, the infantry painted on this color, can be Wybraniecka/Lan/Chimney? Pants clearly not red on picture :). However the clothes are not similar to simple....


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There is a picture on the Stockholm Roll of the Poznan private militia in red uniforms:

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The Kazimierza militia from the same source is clad in the more common blue though:

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Also, if you want to find authentic clothing colours you could do a lot worse than searching for natural plant dye crafts sites. Cheap light blue uniforms would most certainly be dyed with woad:

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