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 Post subject: OK to put more than 3 figures on a base?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:37 pm 
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I have a few leftover pikemen figures, so I was wondering if it would be OK to out 4 on a base rather than 3. Visually it would look more dense, which I think is more realistic, and it would still look good next to musketeer bases with 3 figures.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:52 pm 
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no you can't. someone ask abaut that some time a go


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:40 am 
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We had this discussion a long time ago: viewtopic.php?lang=en&f=59&t=4345

For the game it won't make any difference if you put more ( or less ) figures on a base. Just explain everything to your opponent and there won't be any problem.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:22 pm 
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So after trying to decypher that thread, what was the outcome? I have my wallachians 2 per base as they are light cavalry and reminds me easily (so I can remember their foibles), are we saying that it's ok now as little not as it's clear to the opponent?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:57 pm 
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The main argument against 2-fig LC was that some units (Elite Cavalry special rule) could be in both open and close order, so they chose to indicate that using formations and let figures represent hits instead. However, given how the rule has changed in the revised edition, this point is no longer relevant as Elite Cavalry are always in close order except during actual movement of the base.

Not sure what they would say in the official tournaments, but for game play purposes it should make no difference as long as both players remember they have 3 hits.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:54 am 
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So, there might be an issue with less than 3 figures per base, but does that mean there would also be a problem with more than 3 figures per base?

To further illustrate: we're doing a massive, collective project with the largest Dutch wargamers community, on our very own war of independence, the Eighty Years War, 1568-1648.

Me and a group of others (Ilu Zagin included) are doing the later period, so that we can use as many BFAS figures as possible. That way, we each get a Western-type BFAS army by doing this project. So I bought an Old Type Mercenary Infantry regiment. We will play a different ruleset, so I won't need all the musketeers to finish my allotted part of the forces needed for the scenario, so I could increase the amount of pikemen per base and have a more realistic and visually appealing ratio of pike to muskets.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:41 am 
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Hrothgar wrote:
So, there might be an issue with less than 3 figures per base, but does that mean there would also be a problem with more than 3 figures per base?


It would have no effect on gameplay, as long as you remember they have only four hits. But you may find it difficult to fit 4 figures on a base without having them turned (and looking) sideways. The old DBx base sizes were made for old-style "true" 15mm figures, not the 18mm (1:100 scale) figures made these days.

On another note, I just discovered a problem with the 2-figs/base scheme for light cavalry: To be consistent, Levy of Nobility should have 3 figs/base but Volunteers 2, as the latter have the Skirmishers rule. So the "handy visual rule" might end up costing more to make both, instead of saving money.


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callan wrote:
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It would have no effect on gameplay, as long as you remember they have only four hits.

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Three. :D
Sorry, couldn't help myself. :blush:


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Q.E.D. When I can't remember, my opponent probably can't either.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:14 am 
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Tried it on a single base and it works very well:

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Now for an entire United Provinces pike unit. The shot will be based 3 to a stand, like normal.


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